================================================================ MindNet Journal - Vol. 1, No. 44 ================================================================ V E R I C O M M / MindNet "Quid veritas est?" ================================================================ Notes: The following is reproduced here with the express permission of the author. Permission is given to reproduce and redistribute, for non-commercial purposes only, provided this information and the copy remain intact and unedited. The views and opinions expressed below are not necessarily the views and opinions of VERICOMM, MindNet, or the editors unless otherwise noted. Editor: Mike Coyle Contributing Editors: Walter Bowart Alex Constantine Martin Cannon Assistant Editor: Rick Lawler Research: Darrell Bross Editor's Note: The following is a transcription of a taped telephone interview conducted on September 16, 1995, with Dorothy Burdick, the author of _Such Things Are Known_, which was published in 1980. Mrs. Burdick's book described her harassment by technology that seemed to be able to read her thoughts, and to place thoughts, and voices into her mind. She also described directed-energy harassment such as laser strikes, acoustic targeting, and central nervous system manipulation. Interestingly, much of the technology she described has been, in the ensuing years, confirmed by the work of authors such as Dr. Robert O. Becker, and Captain Paul E. Tyler. Both of whom have described experiments done by researchers in these specific areas. ================================================================ Interview with: DOROTHY BURDICK, author of _Such Things Are Known_ Sept. 1995 ---------------------------------------------------------------- MIKE COYLE: What made you want to write a book about your experiences? DOROTHY BURDICK: Well desperation mostly. I couldn't get anybody to do anything about it, or suggest how it could be done. Being a naturally curious person, I put my own thesis together; let's put it that way. This stuff is classified, or was at that time. A lot of it has, I think, been let out. MIKE COYLE: If it was classified, how did you find out about it? DOROTHY BURDICK: I talked to people. I talked to a lot of people, and I know how to use a medical library, and a physics library. Basically, what I did was to read all the media. Things like high-tech, science news, anything that related to the subject at all, in any way. MIKE COYLE: Did you have any trouble getting the book published? DOROTHY BURDICK: What I did was publish it myself. MIKE COYLE: Did you shop it around to publishers? DOROTHY BURDICK: Yes, I sent it to an agent and they simply told me that it was not the kind of thing they could publish. When I tried to go the newspaper route, I had a friend that was a lawyer, so I was familiar with the Washington press, and he said there was no way that any reputable newspaper would publish any of this stuff. MIKE COYLE: Did they give you a specific reason why they wouldn't publish it? DOROTHY BURDICK: Well, they did not give me a specific reason, but I assume it's because they are pretty well controlled by the US government, and its agencies. I sent it to every Congressman on the US Select Committee, and every Senator. MIKE COYLE: Do you think the publishers knew that they shouldn't publish it because of the nature of the information? DOROTHY BURDICK: I don't know whether it was that, or they thought it was such a crazy story that it wouldn't catch on. MIKE COYLE: What kind of comments, criticisms, or feedback did you get about the book? DOROTHY BURDICK: Really nothing uncomplimentary. I got a lot of "you should see a psychiatrist" kind of stuff. Many were just glad they had found the book. MIKE COYLE: If you were going to revise the book, what would you change? DOROTHY BURDICK: I think more, and more, of the technology has been coming out, and I think we are more willing to accept the fact that we live in a satellite world. That's the first thing that is hardest to grasp. We depend on satellite communications, and they can eavesdrop almost anywhere on the face of the earth. If you bug somebody they can observe, and listen, 24 hours a day if they wish. MIKE COYLE: Are you still being harassed? DOROTHY BURDICK: Oh definitely. MIKE COYLE: In the same way that you described in the book, or has it changed in any way? DOROTHY BURDICK: Some, yes, it's very hard. I'm sure it's a computer voice thing because you get the same voices all the time, and it changes at random. Whether it's male, female, or what it is, OK? This has to be a very expensive operation. I can't imagine that anyone would be able to do it except as part of a psychological experiment, or that it would be government connected. I suspect they do this in an effort to find out what happens. I think we have been guinea pigs before in many other experiments, in many other ways, and unknowingly you see. They don't tell you. They just do it. MIKE COYLE: Have you ever met anyone who was being harassed in the same way that you are, and talked to them about it? DOROTHY BURDICK: I have never met anybody except by phone who would admit to it, or write me a letter, and admit to it I have tried to help some of these people simply by talking to them on the phone, or answering their letters. MIKE COYLE: Are you still in touch with any of these people? DOROTHY BURDICK: No, I have quite a lot to do, and as a result I don't want to give it any more time than I have to because right now. As you know, I'm in the middle of a move. I have some real writing I want to do in a subject in which I am well qualified. I'm a dietian. I keep collecting ideas for an improvement on the last book, because perhaps the time has come for this book. I simply can't afford to publish it myself again. My thought was if you could put it a hundred years in the future. It would be like, 2084. MIKE COYLE: So you want write a fiction based on your experiences? DOROTHY BURDICK: Yeah, just call it fiction, without being so specific about it, and I thought I'd give it a ripple you know, but I haven't done too much about it except cull my files, and collect information that I thought was interesting. MIKE COYLE: Do you have any advice for other victims of the type of harassment you have experienced? DOROTHY BURDICK: There are two things you can do. You can find ways of tranquilizing yourself. I think meditation is a very good way. Make sure you don't get over-tired. If anybody in this more productive world can find a way not to get tired; I'd like to hear about it. You can always find somebody to talk to in psychology, or psychiatry, but I don't imagine you'll get too much support. Find someone you can trust. MIKE COYLE: Do you recommend shielding techniques to defend against this type of harassment? DOROTHY BURDICK: I am not enough of an expert on it to be sure, but I know that they have built such things. One of the things that's been mentioned is white-noise. I got a white-noise machine through the mail. It was suppose to deal out every frequency, but they can get through. Maybe it wasn't strong enough. MIKE COYLE: Speaking of shielding, in your book you describe an experiment where you were put into a Faraday cage. DOROTHY BURDICK: Yes, and I later found out that this was a phony thing. I feel very badly about some of the people who are involved in what I call disinformation. There was no question that that was a set-up, and they wanted to see what would happen. A particular person that I sat [in the Faraday cage] for, is into societies for parapsychologies of various kinds. They encourage you to believe in parapsychology. I find that they have infiltrated junior colleges; especially with what is really adult entertainment. They put it on to add to their income. They rent out the room and the professor gets a certain amount, and the college gets a certain amount. They will get somebody who may be qualified, or may not be qualified, in psychology, and they will give a course in reading auras. The mix it up with eastern religions, and what comes through is a bunch of b.s. You know what happened to Kubler-Ross, she moved to the east coast, I can't remember where, and is involved in working with people, but she has harassment. She went south of the Mason-Dixon line. I don't know whether that is because she is the south, which is one possibility, or because she was being harassed in California, and they tried to embarrass her a great deal there. I first got on to her in _California Magazine_, and everybody knows who she is, because she came up with the four stages of dying. I think this whole thing has hurt a lot of good people. MIKE COYLE: So you think that the results that you got from the experiment with the Faraday cage were not what actually happened? DOROTHY BURDICK: No, and I don't think there was any purpose except to take up my time and find out what I thought about it. MIKE COYLE: Do you think that trying to stay physically, and emotionally, healthy is beneficial to defend against mind control? DOROTHY BURDICK: That's hard to do and I think some of this jogging is so that people can get away from it. They hope to block what they're hearing with their radios. But that's just an observation. I don't know if it's true, or not, and naturally they're not going to say. MIKE COYLE: Are you implying that a lot of people know that something strange is going on, but they don't want to admit it, or talk about it, either to themselves, or to others? DOROTHY BURDICK: I'm sure it's from coast to coast. They don't want to talk about it, because they think it will just lead to more trouble. The other thing you will find is that you can be mis-heard on the phone very easily once they get on it. They can distort numbers. Some words don't come across quite the way you would like. There is no question. You must have known that we have had eavesdropping on telephone lines in this country since very long ago, in the sixties at least. I don't worry about it to much anymore. In the beginning it bothered me. It really doesn't now. MIKE COYLE: Have you ever used some type of device to try to detect what is being done to you? DOROTHY BURDICK: No, because I always figured that the government had much better, more expensive stuff, than I did. And that they could probably overcome anything I might try, or use.